Out of here

Thomas E.

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Jun 26, 2015, 6:04:54 PM6/26/15

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Lurking and laying low for a while.

Baker just sent me a threatening e-mail. Not worth that to tweak his tail. Have fun with him without me, I'll be listening!

Alan Baker

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Jun 27, 2015, 3:14:49 AM6/27/15

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Did I?

Or did I just ask how personal you wanted to make this...

...after you tried to post my home address?

:-)

Thomas E.

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Jun 27, 2015, 7:12:38 AM6/27/15

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My life is an open book on the Web. Address, phone numbers, email addresses, Facebook, numerous publications, CV, list of past and current clients and more. Just Google my name and company. You on the other hand seem to have something to hide. Just the bare essentials.Strange for a self-employed person.

Thought you were gone for the weekeend. Instead you are still stalking me. Scary.

Walter Myer

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Jun 27, 2015, 7:30:15 AM6/27/15

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On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 6:04:54 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> Lurking and laying low for a while.
>
> Baker just sent me a threatening e-mail. Not worth that to tweak his tail. Have fun with him without me, I'll be listening!

Didn't IT sat IT had a wace car to pwep?

Alan Baker

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Jun 27, 2015, 9:48:45 AM6/27/15

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On 2015-06-27 11:12:34 +0000, Thomas E. said:

> My life is an open book on the Web. Address, phone numbers, email
> addresses, Facebook, numerous publications, CV, list of past and
> current clients and more. Just Google my name and company. You on the
> other hand seem to have something to hide. Just the bare
> essentials.Strange for a self-employed person.

"Something to hide"? Nope.

>
> Thought you were gone for the weekeend. Instead you are still stalking
> me. Scary.

You tried to post my address here, Liar-boy. That isn't stalking? You
don't think that that might be provocative?

-hh

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Jun 27, 2015, 10:53:44 AM6/27/15

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Tommy wrote:
> My life is an open book on the Web. Address, phone numbers, email addresses,

> Facebook, numerous publications, CV, list of past and current clients and more...

Funny then how when you showed this, there was a decade long gap. Particularly
when you tried to point out a smaller gap on your troll target.

> Just Google my name and company. You on the other hand seem to have something to hide...

Unfortunately, there's all sorts of bad people these days who try to exploit people, and
the days of a trusting web have been over for decades now: it is pretty foolhardy to
knowingly reveal information which would be useful to those of malicious intent - and
downright naïve to believe that it can't ever happen.

Case in point: you've read comments/reports of some of my vacations, but just when
was the last time that any such trip was announced in advance? Do make sure to
include the substantiating citation in any such claim.

Oh, and for Nicky and "Walter", even something as trivial as to what my daily driver
presently is, again based on searchable public information.

-hh

Walter Myer

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Jun 27, 2015, 11:35:05 AM6/27/15

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Golly, the little Chimp is in a swoon!

Thomas E.

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Jun 27, 2015, 6:56:44 PM6/27/15

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Addresses are a matter of public record that anyone can find on the Web. Mine is right on my farmecon site. Now if I had published, say, your juvenile criminal record, or your girlfriend's cell phone number, now that would be stalking!

So, what about your street address IS secret? Is somebody after you? Bill collectors? The Mafia? Your other girlfriends?

It's really nice to be so honest and upfront to a point where you can put all your contact info on a site and not be worried.

http://www.farmecon.com/Pages/contactus.aspx

Too bad you can't do that.

Thomas E.

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Jun 27, 2015, 6:59:21 PM6/27/15

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On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

My point was that have worked for one company since 1979, full time or part-time. Alan can't say that, and very few people can. Betting you can't either. Impossible if you are basically dishonest.

-hh

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Jun 27, 2015, 10:07:46 PM6/27/15

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Thomas E. wrote:
> -hh wrote:
> > Tommy wrote:
> > > My life is an open book on the Web. Address, phone numbers, email addresses,
> > > Facebook, numerous publications, CV, list of past and current clients and more...
> >

> > Funny then how when you showed this, there was a ~decade long gap. Particularly

> > when you tried to point out a smaller gap on your troll target.

So just what was Tom Elam doing for those "missing" years in his CV? Smoking pot?

> > > Just Google my name and company. You on the other hand seem to have something to hide...
> >
> > Unfortunately, there's all sorts of bad people these days who try to exploit people, and
> > the days of a trusting web have been over for decades now: it is pretty foolhardy to
> > knowingly reveal information which would be useful to those of malicious intent - and
> > downright naïve to believe that it can't ever happen.
> >
> > Case in point: you've read comments/reports of some of my vacations, but just when
> > was the last time that any such trip was announced in advance? Do make sure to
> > include the substantiating citation in any such claim.
> >
> > Oh, and for Nicky and "Walter", even something as trivial as to what my daily driver
> > presently is, again based on searchable public information.
>

> My point was that have worked for one company since 1979, full time or
> part-time.

No it wasn't. It was to try to suggest that your career was different and thus "better".
And that's despite the hefty omission in what you posted of your's prior to 1979:
golly, a 7 year gap _after_ having obtained an PhD in your career field.

> Alan can't say that, and very few people can.

True, but that's predominantly because of how dramatically the US
employment market has changed since 1979: the basic idea of a
single-employer career died in the 80s, just as did also generous
pay & benefits - a trend which can be quite clearly seen in the timeline
graph on this page:

<http://ssworkswa.org/2011/04/10/another-reason-to-strengthen-social-security-private-retirement-plans-are-weak-and-uncertain/>

Note how back in 1979 (your 'start date') that 62% of workers with benefits
had a defined benefit pension ... and yet 30 years later, this number has
crashed to but 7%.

The basic reason why is because defined cash value pensions are
less expensive to employers, essentially because they are fundamentally
less generous (lower aggregate compensation), particularly during the
upswing of improved public health. But part of it also was that a 401(k)
is a more portable pension vehicle for employees too...the erosion of
"loyalty" cuts both ways.

> Betting you can't either. Impossible if you are basically dishonest.

Impossible if you're simply not old enough.

Besides, your long duration job only lasted for 24 years as per your CV,
and it would be incredibly dishonest to lie on one's CV. Sure, there's
supposedly also been occasional 'part time' consults since 2003, but
that's not been as an actual employee of that company, but via your LLC,
which is a change in employers and EIN, so it doesn't count.

So then, just what is your *real* question. Is it:

a) Who here has been continuously gainfully employed since 1979?

BTW, a definition of this 'continuous gainful employment' is needed:
lets use it as being defined as the lesser of: zero weeks eligible for
unemployment compensation or zero dollars collected (1/1/79 to present).

or is it something like:

b) Who here has been continuously gainfully employed since they turned age 25?

or is it actually better to ask:

c) Who here has had continuous gainful full time employment with but a
single company for 20+ years? Of 25 years? Of 30 years? Or even more?

Although improbable, there's probably still some people who can check off
all of the above boxes, even if you no longer can.

-hh

Thomas E.

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Jun 28, 2015, 12:26:25 AM6/28/15

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OK, here is the whole history, at least as best I can recall the early years.

1960-64 - delivered newspapers, Junior High and High School

1965-1966 - Part time grocery store clerk during undergrad school, left for better pay and better job

1966-1969 - Part time technician, City Planning Department (and undergrad school) left to go to grad school. This was a GREAT job, loved the work and it paid 4x minimum wage.

1969-1972 - Grad school on NSF Fellowship, UT Knoxville, MS/PhD Ag Economics.

1972-1975 - Assistant Prof Economics, No. KY State U, left due to contract termination when I would not cover up for Department Head's management issues. Department Head and President relieved of duties 3 years later.

1976-1978 - U. of Ill. Assistant Professor Ag Economics, left for better pay at USDA

1978-1979 - USDA, Washington DC, hated the job and the commute from Virginia, left for better pay and better work environment

1979-2003 - Elanco. In 2003 I was offered early retirement with pension and with a generous golden parachute that paid all my debts plus some, and took it. It was the after-effects of the August 2001 Prozac patent expiration. I had 24 great and very productive years, got to travel to and work in 40+ countries, did some really outstanding projects. My whole department was disbanded. The company is still using the business planning model I built. Also, there are great friendships that have lasted to this day. Sorry that so few get that retirement benefit any more, but I did, and glad of it. It was a great ride, but better things lay ahead.

2003-2015 - Consulting. I have done well over 100 projects (more than a few) for my former employer, some small, some quite large. Total projects to date are over 350, and counting. Total billings are well over $1 million, gross margin 90% (makes Apple look sick, but I don't have very high COGS :). Take a look at the client list on farmecon.com. I'm sure there are few names there you know. All of those projects came as a result of referrals, and my reputation.

I will not pretend that every client was happy with the results. There have been a few cases where the client did not like my advice. I have also turned down numerous lucrative potential projects because I either thought I did not have the expertise or they smelled "fishy".

There was one in particular that involved an inquiry for doing a business plan for a Saudi prince's poultry business. That thing smelled bad from the get-go. The more I got into it the more I realized that it was all a political ploy to get subsidies for a very questionable business proposition. After a few inquires and phone conversations I told them I was not interested.

There was another that was a Chinese State-Owned Enterprise that wanted to set up a greenfield beef cattle operation in South America. They had no idea what they were getting into. I partnered with another consultant, we gave them a realistic cost estimate, and they went a very different direction. That would have been at least a $100k project for me if I had mislead them. Of course, I could also be dead today if I had mislead them!

I have never collected a cent of unemployment or welfare. That is, unless you consider a NSF Fellowship or Social Security to be welfare. Except for the three years in grad school I have been gainfully employed continuously since 1960, 55 of my 69 years. I also paid the max into Social Security for all of the 24 years I was at Elanco, and several year since.

To get the NSF fellowship I scored at the 99th percentile on the 1969 economics GRE (Graduate Record Exam). That is a national standardized test that would include students from the likes of Harvard, U Chicago, and Stanford. So I don't consider the fellowship welfare. It most definitely was not based on financial need.

Also, 2003 to circa 2006, lecturer in Economics, IUPUI. 2005-2006, taught a grad level economics course at University of Indianapolis. Left these positions because of the time and travel demands of the consulting practice.

As for the future, and that starts tomorrow, who knows? I have no plans for full time retirement, even after the IRA/401k RMD's kick in next year.

So, for better or worse we are all making our ways in the world. But not without a lot of help. Teachers, college professors, fellow workers, ministers, family members, friends and even strangers help and steer us along the way. I think most of us do the best we can. I consider myself to have been very lucky to have had some incredible guidance along the way.

Life has had it's bumps, everybody's does. My dad died very suddenly in 1965, thus the part time jobs and 5 years for undergrad school. There was a divorce in 2002. That loss of the first job out of grad school really hurt, but to have supported the department head would have been professional suicide. Time has taken its toll, and we have lost a lot of great friends and family members to old age these last few years.

But, I have 2 great kids, and 5 grand-kids, all healthy and happy.

And here is the best thing, saved for last.

At the end of the day I am most grateful of all to not be the jaded, cynical, person that you and Alan Baker exemplify.

Alan Baker

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Jun 28, 2015, 2:23:17 AM6/28/15

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On 2015-06-27 22:56:43 +0000, Thomas E. said:

> On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 9:48:45 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2015-06-27 11:12:34 +0000, Thomas E. said:
>>
>>> My life is an open book on the Web. Address, phone numbers, email
>>> addresses, Facebook, numerous publications, CV, list of past and
>>> current clients and more. Just Google my name and company. You on the
>>> other hand seem to have something to hide. Just the bare
>>> essentials.Strange for a self-employed person.
>>
>> "Something to hide"? Nope.
>>
>>>
>>> Thought you were gone for the weekeend. Instead you are still stalking
>>> me. Scary.
>>
>> You tried to post my address here, Liar-boy. That isn't stalking? You
>> don't think that that might be provocative?
>
> Addresses are a matter of public record that anyone can find on the
> Web. Mine is right on my farmecon site. Now if I had published, say,
> your juvenile criminal record, or your girlfriend's cell phone number,
> now that would be stalking!

So how was it stalking to leave you an email?

>
> So, what about your street address IS secret? Is somebody after you?
> Bill collectors? The Mafia? Your other girlfriends?
>

> It's really nice to be so honest...

...that you write lines implying someone has a juvenile record?

> and upfront to a point where you can put all your contact info on a
> site and not be worried.
>
> http://www.farmecon.com/Pages/contactus.aspx
>
> Too bad you can't do that.

I can do that. I choose not to. For you not to respect that choice says
lots about you...

Alan Baker

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Jun 28, 2015, 2:24:04 AM6/28/15

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On 2015-06-27 22:59:20 +0000, Thomas E. said:

> On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>> Tommy wrote:
>>> My life is an open book on the Web. Address, phone numbers, email
>>> addresses,> > Facebook, numerous publications, CV, list of past and
>>> current clients and more...
>>
>> Funny then how when you showed this, there was a decade long gap. Particularly
>> when you tried to point out a smaller gap on your troll target.
>>> Just Google my name and company. You on the other hand seem to have
>>> something to hide...
>>
>> Unfortunately, there's all sorts of bad people these days who try to
>> exploit people, and
>> the days of a trusting web have been over for decades now: it is
>> pretty foolhardy to
>> knowingly reveal information which would be useful to those of
>> malicious intent - and

>> downright naīve to believe that it can't ever happen.

>>
>> Case in point: you've read comments/reports of some of my vacations,
>> but just when> was the last time that any such trip was announced in
>> advance? Do make sure to> include the substantiating citation in any
>> such claim.
>>
>> Oh, and for Nicky and "Walter", even something as trivial as to what my
>> daily driver
>> presently is, again based on searchable public information.
>>
>> -hh
>
> My point was that have worked for one company since 1979, full time or
> part-time. Alan can't say that, and very few people can. Betting you
> can't either. Impossible if you are basically dishonest.

Nope. That is complete and utter bullshit.

Alan Baker

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Jun 28, 2015, 2:25:49 AM6/28/15

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On 2015-06-28 04:26:24 +0000, Thomas E. said:

> On Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 10:07:46 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>> Thomas E. wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>> Tommy wrote:
>>>>> My life is an open book on the Web. Address, phone numbers, email
>>>>> addresses,> > > > Facebook, numerous publications, CV, list of past and
>>>>> current clients and more...
>>>>
>>>> Funny then how when you showed this, there was a ~decade long gap.
>>>> Particularly
>>>> when you tried to point out a smaller gap on your troll target.
>>
>> So just what was Tom Elam doing for those "missing" years in his CV?
>> Smoking pot?>>
>>>>> Just Google my name and company. You on the other hand seem to have
>>>>> something to hide...
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, there's all sorts of bad people these days who try to
>>>> exploit people, and
>>>> the days of a trusting web have been over for decades now: it is
>>>> pretty foolhardy to
>>>> knowingly reveal information which would be useful to those of
>>>> malicious intent - and

>>>> downright naīve to believe that it can't ever happen.

So you were fired.

But way to miss the point.

>
> At the end of the day I am most grateful of all to not be the jaded,
> cynical, person that you and Alan Baker exemplify.

I'm certainly grateful not to be the liar you are...

Sandman

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Jun 28, 2015, 4:14:10 AM6/28/15

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In article <2f58b9ee-ecea-485b...@googlegroups.com>, Thomas E.
wrote:

> > > Thomas E.:

> > > Thought you were gone for the weekeend. Instead you are still
> > > stalking me. Scary.
> >

> > Alan Baker:

> > You tried to post my address here, Liar-boy. That isn't stalking?
> > You don't think that that might be provocative?
>
> Addresses are a matter of public record that anyone can find on the
> Web.

Haha, Tommy boy is so freaking moronic that he considers sending someone an email
to be "stalking" when he posted a shitload of addresses to said person. Yeah,
this is what drug do to you, kids. Don't do it.

--
Sandman

Sandman

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Jun 28, 2015, 4:47:02 AM6/28/15

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In article <528ef963-14af-4bd8...@googlegroups.com>, Thomas E.
wrote:

<snip long moronic rant>

> At the end of the day I am most grateful of all to not be the jaded,
> cynical, person that you and Alan Baker exemplify.

Most hilarious comment contest winner!!

--
Sandman

-hh

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Jun 28, 2015, 7:21:22 AM6/28/15

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On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 2:25:49 AM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2015-06-28 04:26:24 +0000, Thomas E. said:
> > -hh wrote:
> >> Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> -hh wrote:
> >>>> Tommy wrote:
> >>>>> My life is an open book on the Web. Address, phone numbers, email
> >>>>> addresses, Facebook, numerous publications, CV, list of past and
> >>>>> current clients and more...
> >>>>
> >>>> Funny then how when you showed this, there was a ~decade long gap.
> >>>> Particularly when you tried to point out a smaller gap on your troll target.
> >>
> >> So just what was Tom Elam doing for those "missing" years in his CV?
> >> Smoking pot?>>

> > > > [...]

> >> a) Who here has been continuously gainfully employed since 1979?
> >>
> >> BTW, a definition of this 'continuous gainful employment' is needed:
> >> lets use it as being defined as the lesser of: zero weeks eligible
> >> for unemployment compensation or zero dollars collected (1/1/79 to
> >> present).

> >> ...

> >> b) Who here has been continuously gainfully employed
> >> d since they turned age 25?

> >> ...

> >> c) Who here has had continuous gainful full time employment with but
> >> a single company for 20+ years? Of 25 years? Of 30 years? Or even
> >> more?
> >

> > 1972-1975 - Assistant Prof Economics, No. KY State U, left due to
> > contract termination when I would not cover up for Department Head's
> > management issues. Department Head and President relieved of duties 3
> > years later.
>
> So you were fired.

And Tommy can't meet (a) or (b) from above, unless the KYU job pretty
much ended right on 31 Dec 1975 and the U. of Ill. Assistant Professor job
started the day after New Years 1976.

[editorial restoration]

> > 1979-2003 - Elanco. In 2003 I was offered early retirement with pension
> > and with a generous golden parachute that paid all my debts plus some,
> > and took it. It was the after-effects of the August 2001 Prozac patent

> > expiration....My whole department was disbanded.

Which is another layoff as well.

> But way to miss the point.

To a level that isn't plausibly accidental.

> > At the end of the day I am most grateful of all to not be the jaded,
> > cynical, person that you and Alan Baker exemplify.
>
> I'm certainly grateful not to be the liar you are...

Probably a lingering side effect of working around all that Prozac for twenty years ;-)

And of course there's also the irony that he bragged about cynical himself,
namely:

"There was one in particular that involved an inquiry for doing a business
plan for a Saudi prince's poultry business. That thing smelled bad from the
get-go. The more I got into it the more I realized that it was all a political
ploy to get subsidies for a very questionable business proposition. After a
few inquires and phone conversations I told them I was not interested."

FWIW, Tommy will also need to clarify if his claimed "Total projects to date
are over 350..." counted this one, or not.

Ditto many similar ones, because the math of 350+ consults in but a dozen
years (~30/year) works out to a lot of small jobs of approx two man-weeks (max)
each. And similarly, when combined with his statement of "Total billings are
well over $1 million", which implies that they're still under $2M and since
$2M/350 = $5714, that Tom's average consult fee is maybe $5K (incl. expenses).

Just another illustration of how even a seemingly small amount of information
actually has much more extractable data in it.

-hh

Thomas E.

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Jun 28, 2015, 7:35:38 AM6/28/15

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"How personal do you want to make this" implies retaliation

Thomas E.

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Jun 28, 2015, 7:37:16 AM6/28/15

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All of which are readily obtained and copy/pasted from the Vancouver White Pages. That was really hard to find.

Thomas E.

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Jun 28, 2015, 8:17:39 AM6/28/15

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For all those job changes, as with any job change, there were minor gaps between jobs. I never went a month without a paycheck after the grocery clerk job. Even the NSF Fellowship paid a living expense stipend.

Your math on the average consulting job is about correct. The 90% GM figure is based on billed dollars minus billed expenses. So multiply by .9 to get the net income before taxes. In my case, gross margin=IBT is very close. The only non-billable expenses are computer purchases (about $5000 total since 2003) and some small office expenses for paper, toner, etc.

Under U.S. tax law you also get to deduct home depreciation, some health care insurance, and pro-rated home expenses. Those would have occurred anyway, so in reality they are not a deduction from family net cash income even though they reduce net business income for tax purposes. To the extent that you can reduce your federal and state taxes by working out of the home it actually increases net cash income slightly.

Some jobs were just a few hours, many ran well into 5 figures. It's the nature of the business as I structured it, and the opportunities that came about. The count includes only projects that led to billable hours. The two I cited did not.

And yes, I was fired from NKU, as was my department head. The last day was just before Christmas, I started at the U of Ill on January 1. I got paychecks for both months. The U of Ill was aware of the facts. They hired me in August 1975. I had been told in June that the 1975-76 contract would be my last one. Illinois wanted me to skip out on the fall semester at NKU and take the new position in September, as soon as my summer school contract was over. I requested that and was threatened with a lawsuit. We worked it out that I would leave in December.

As for Elanco, company wide there were about 750 people caught up in that, about 75 in Elanco and the rest in the Lilly parent. They somewhat targeted retirement-eligible people. We were given 3 months to find another job within Elanco or the Eli Lilly parent. I made the choice to not look around. Except for missing some great people I worked with, I have never regretted that decision. In Elanco I know of only a few, maybe 10 or less, younger employees who sought other jobs within the company. Most of them left the company later.

Since I left I have never had a month without a paying project to work on an/or on a retainer arrangement. Also, lots more time to fly and otherwise enjoy life. Financially it has probably been about a push.

So there you go, what's your story?

Thomas E.

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Jun 28, 2015, 8:22:51 AM6/28/15

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Nashton

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Jun 28, 2015, 10:42:50 AM6/28/15

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On 2015-06-27 7:59 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
>>Oh, and for Nicky and "Walter", even something as trivial as to what my daily driver
>>presently is, again based on searchable public in

Did you manage to find the autofocus on your SLR?

Nashton

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Jun 28, 2015, 10:48:15 AM6/28/15

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On 2015-06-28 9:17 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 7:21:22 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

> So there you go, what's your story?
>

You're joking, right? He's got so many neuroses, the last thing he'll do
is say anything about himself.
Crickets is the only sound you'll get.

-hh

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Jun 28, 2015, 11:23:40 AM6/28/15

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Well, I was going to make a brief comment, but given this lame rant
from Nicholas, I'll defer to allow him to first go next.

So how about it? Are you going to do what you're effectively asking
another to do, or are you going to run for the tall grass with your tail
between your legs of a "Do as I Say, Not As I Do" hypocrisy?

-hh

Thomas E.

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Jun 28, 2015, 11:40:02 AM6/28/15

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Deflection noted

Thomas E.

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Jun 28, 2015, 11:42:25 AM6/28/15

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Both of these idiots must have very sad lives. They seem to have a lot of time to dig into other people's posts.

Thomas E.

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> Wow. Good choice, I might follow your lead in this one.
>
> He's a toxic little bugger, isn't he?

LOL

Alan Baker

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Jun 29, 2015, 2:55:35 AM6/29/15

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And then start posting that information here?

>
> You will find connections to quite a few people who know me, especially
> on LinkedIn and Facebook. Feel free to call a few. I can't stop you,
> and have nothing to hide. You might also check for a criminal history,
> but that costs money.
> Hell, hire a PI and have him shadow me if you want to. Just let me know
> if you do, so that so we can sit down over dinner and have a long talk.
> I'll tell him anything he wants to know, and provide all the references
> to back it up.
>
> Now, can I have your permission to do the same for Alan Baker of Vancouver, BC?

You don't need my permission, Liar-boy...

..but that you attempt to post my address here says a lot about your ethics.

Alan Baker

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Jun 29, 2015, 2:56:57 AM6/29/15

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I've said lots of things about myself, Nicolas.

I'm not ashamed of who I am. You, on the other hand, need to make up
things about me that you have no clue are true or not.

:-)

Alan Baker

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Jun 29, 2015, 2:58:36 AM6/29/15

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Jun 29, 2015, 10:41:31 AM6/29/15

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His figures are wrong.

>
> Wonder how long it will take for Alan to accuse his fellow FF racers of
> lying and cheating?

LOL

Alan Baker

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Jun 29, 2015, 12:21:32 PM6/29/15

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On 2015-06-29 14:00:04 +0000, Thomas E. said:

>>>>> I thought IT was wacing this weekend? Looogout Granny, IT'S on the
>>>>> track!! BWAHAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to disappoint you, Michael.
>>>>
>>>> I was racing this weekend, but it was pretty frustrating until we
>>>> tracked down a gremlin that had the car running way too lean.
>>>
>>> So how did it go AFTER the mixture problem was solved?
>>
>> Not too well. 11 seconds down. My grandmother could have done better.
>
> Over how many laps, or kilometers?
>
> Wonder how long it will take for Alan to accuse his fellow FF racers of
> lying and cheating?

I wonder how many replies, Liar-boy will make in a thread he begain
with "Out of here"?

Alan Baker

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Jun 29, 2015, 12:34:15 PM6/29/15

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On 2015-06-29 13:03:40 +0000, Thomas E. said:

Only you lied to him, Liar-boy. I by no means think you are a "complete
fake". On the contrary, I think that almost all of what you've said is
true.

But I KNOW you're willing to lie.

>
> Now of course you will claim I am lying about the whole thing and this
> is just a friend covering for me.
>
> I am responsible for the numbers that I enter. Instructors are
> responsible for the numbers they enter. Over 95% of the entries are
> mine. Again, you illustrate your ignorance.

So you say... ...but you lie when it suits you, Liar-boy.

Thomas E.

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Jun 29, 2015, 12:52:42 PM6/29/15

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You have the phone number now, call him.

Thomas E.

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Jun 29, 2015, 12:54:58 PM6/29/15

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On Monday, June 29, 2015 at 12:34:15 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:

You question everything I say, and you know it. You take nothing at face value, and you know it. So exactly what have I lied about? And do not use the web site fiasco. That was my interpretation which I have now retracted.

Thomas E.

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Jun 29, 2015, 12:57:18 PM6/29/15

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Gee, 430-430 is a pretty narrow range. What is your best finish, and include the number of finishers, as in 3rd out 7.

Alan Baker

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Jun 29, 2015, 1:01:41 PM6/29/15

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I'd never impose on a stranger like that, Liar-boy.

Why isn't it the same for you?

Thomas E.

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Jun 29, 2015, 1:07:37 PM6/29/15

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After thinking it over I simply realized that I have nothing to fear from you. When does the PI show up to tail me?

Alan Baker

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Jun 29, 2015, 1:07:56 PM6/29/15

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Nope. That's a lie, or at best just you being incredibly obtuse and defensive.

> You take nothing at face value, and you know it. So exactly what have
> I lied about? And do not use the web site fiasco. That was my
> interpretation which I have now retracted.

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Jun 29, 2015, 2:15:05 PM6/29/15

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Yup. But that's not actually a promise to talk to him, is it? I asked
if we had your permission, but I didn't ever say or even imply that I'd
call him.

>
> Alan you asked for corroboration from Jerry, now you won't to call him
> to get it. You are a totally dishonest person. You question everything
> and are not willing seek out truth when it's right there in front of
> you, a telephone call away.

Nothing in the slightest dishonest, Liar-boy.

I wanted to know what you'd do.

-hh

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Jun 29, 2015, 8:56:02 PM6/29/15

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-hh wrote:
> Tom wrote:
>> Deflection noted
>
> Unintended at best: I merely saw Nashton's snarky comment as a gift.
>
> Propose how long we should give him to provide a response; after that
> time period expires, I'll continue with the comment I intended to make
> anyway, with or without him. Its personally shaping up to be a busy week,
> so we can afford to give him plenty of time, say 48 or 72 hours.

"bump": has Nicky been hiding in the bushes?

-hh

Sandman

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Jul 1, 2015, 6:22:16 PM7/1/15

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In article <530dc75f-a7f6-46af...@googlegroups.com>, Thomas E.
wrote:

> > Sandman:
> > In article
> > <2f58b9ee-ecea-485b...@googlegroups.com>, Thomas E.
>
> > > > > Thomas E.:
> > > > > Thought you were gone for the weekeend. Instead
> > > > > you are still stalking me. Scary.
> > > >
> > > > Alan Baker:
> > > > You tried to post my address here, Liar-boy. That
> > > > isn't stalking? You don't think that that might be
> > > > provocative?
> > >
> > > Thomas E.:
> > > Addresses are a matter of public record that anyone can find on
> > > the Web.
> >
> > Sandman:
> > Haha, Tommy boy is so freaking moronic that he considers sending
> > someone an email to be "stalking" when he posted a shitload of
> > addresses to said person. Yeah, this is what drug do to you,
> > kids. Don't do it. -- Sandman
>
> All of which are readily obtained and copy/pasted from the Vancouver
> White Pages. That was really hard to find.

Who talked about how "hard" it was to find, idiot? I was making fun of your
hilarious hypocrisy.

--
Sandman